Once again, as someone in the US, it is Sky News Austrailia with an actual aviation expert that knows, first hand, what he is talking about with respect to TCAS, IFR and see-and-avoid VFR rules. Unlike the MSM in the US that spews nonsense and has so-called experts that don't know what they are talking about.
I flew down there for 8 years, was an evluator pilot. Natural conflict between the circle to 33 and help route 01. The army chopper pilot screwed up, simply put.
Not saying individual facts within this Opinion piece aren't correct of course. It's just Paul Murray generally can put out lies because of his opinion label. Saves Murdoch from more lawsuits right.
I will save the investigation time and money: there is NO REASON to allow a helicopter to fly across the approach path of a busy airport...ESPECIALLY at night.
The way you put it, you are correct. However, the helicopter was not "allowed to fly across the approach path" - he was specifically instructed by ATC not to do so, and did not follow those instructions. It's the equivalent of running a red light in a car. Helicopters fly that same route multiple times per day without incident. If ATC is on the ball, and pilots follow ATC instructions, these situations are easily avoided - night or day.
@@creid7537 well, I do not have the transcript that the chopper was not allowed to cross the flight path. If that is the case then that is a pilot deviation. However, it is INSANITY to allow this configuration to constantly be utilized. If the helicopter was Care flight then maybe.
You know less than nothing about this disaster. You have personal, uninformed opinions on the matter. Dunning-Kruger effect is on full display online today. Let the actual investigation, conducted by experts in the matter, unfold. Then, after the full report is done, you have read it and understand it, you may be competent to comment on it.
The expert said that the helicopter pilot lost sight of the plane. I suggest that he might have thought that he he could see it, but the thing that he was looking at was another plane, rather than the one he hit.
This is what I think happened. You can see the third plane in the foreground and the Blackhawk may have been falling in behind that instead of the correct aircraft.
I find it hard to believe that a modern military helicopter does not have a radar on board and pilots look out the window to see traffic in the area... When these helicopters go to battle, do pilots look out the window to see targets?
I 100% agree with that pilot, the airliner was totally committed to landing, at 400ft altitude you can't be jigging about with a 100 ton aircraft. Helicopters have the added skill of being able to stop and hover on the spot. The Blackhawk was definitely in the wrong here. From a UK ex pilot.
@ Both craft flew what seemed to be highly predictable paths before impact. A 3D TCAS equivalent in the ATC locale could have detected this collision 15 - 20 sec ahead of time and alarmed it. With such a relayed warning, the helo pilot could have dived probably up to 4 sec before impact and avoided this.
I have never heard Fox News Tell a lie about what's going on in the political spectrum. I don't know what you're talking about but Fox News has always told the truth but why don't you point me to one time they did not just one time I'll wait.
??? Sky news australia is owned by the same company as fox news, and has an insane bias. This story might not be bias, but that is because it isnt political. Whenever there is a hint of politics, it is always pro-republican or LNP, and anti-democrat, or ALP. If you think sky is unbiased, you are so fucking delusional. The definition of unbiased doesnt mean 'hold views that agree with you', it means 'holds no political views at all.'
Wondering if they saw the plane that was in the foreground of the video and assumed incorrectly that was the flight in question and didn't realize there was a flight behind and much closer to them.
@JLKeener77 They can not confuse a deparing to a landing plane, too much distance between them. But they can be confusing the distance from 2 different landing runaways 1 vs 33, were 33 path is closer, all landings happening on runway 1, a sudden landing on 33 without proper communication towards the chopper might have caused it all.
@@JLKeener77 planes land and take off typically into wind (not always depending on wind direction and the inability to move runways) so the closer/bigger plane which is taking off is going the same direction as the smaller plane in background. Also "obviously" they are at different sides of the runway so i do not think helicopter pilot got confused with which plane to avoid. Prayers and Sympathies to all affected.
Perhaps the helo was unaware of the CRJ's side step and misjudged it's heading, closing speed, distance, and height? That's if the helo even had visual on the correct aircraft. I've witnessed lucky escapes with night ops and large groups of professionals seemingly in a mind meld, people walking through rotating props, and 6" ground off an Antenna that cannot come anywhere near the runway when the gear is down.
@@andyf7027That is what I've read, in amongst all the insane conspiracy theories, that the helicopter thought the plane they had to look out for was the one taking off, not the one landing. There was a mix up or miscommunication.
Reagan has the single busiest runway in the entire US. That any helicopters are allowed to cross the approach within ½ a mile of the runway at night with only visual separation is insane.
It beggars belief that you would legally allow a low flying helicopter to transect the flight path of the 2 main airstrips of a busy airport. RIP to all those lost in an accident that never should have happened.
I assume it's legally allowed because it's easy to avoid a mid-air collision in this case. Such a thing has never happened before, and that tells us that there was something VERY wrong with the military pilot. Either he/she was grossly incompetent, and got confused, or this was a terrorist who had infiltrated our military.
@@YSongCloudA training flight does not mean there was an inexperienced pilot involved. It was a military readiness exercise. That is... if we're being told the truth.
Yes, Air Florida. The pilot put the reverse thrusters on backing away from the gate and blew all ice and snow into the engines and then on take off when the pilot rotated the instruments were giving false readings he was only at probably a little above idle speed are idle power on take off and he came down, he stalled, belly flopped hit the highway connector killed people in cars it was a big snowstorm that day and I still have visions of that poor woman that was frozen in the water barely moving don't forget she had eyes full of jet fuel in the civilian jumped in and grabbed her I can never forget that I was a kid when that happened that's sad. So far though it sounds to me like it's the helicopters fault
Military pilot here. Mistakes happen all the time. Unfortunately, in rare instances, mistakes cost many lives. How many of you have ever had someone in your blindspot in your car and had a "Oh my.. that was close..." moment? How many of you have bumped into a desk or a wall while you were WALKING?! All of you. All of you. "But the airplane was lit up?!?!" You don't really understand anything about aviation, about sensory physiology, or how to use your brain to reason while being slow to speak. ATC was doing a totally routine procedure of allowing the helo to visually see and avoid. Totally normal. happens hundreds of times a day, every day. This was simply (yet tragically) a human mistake, whether disorientation or being visual on the wrong aircraft or misjudging distances. May the Lord keep you from running over a pedestrian in your blindspot or hip checking your counter on accident.
Nah, not buying that at all, we don't drive around 6 million dollar whips with military grade tracking and communication . The pilots of the helicopter knew exactly where it was and where they were going, they even changed course slightly at the last few critical moments which appears that it was intentional
Time to find out JUST WHO WAS ON THIS AIRCRAFT!! Last time this happened 3 well reputed scientists were on their way to testify against the Covid Vax’s - just saying 🤔
Poor excuse military, bunch of 21 years old practiced visual on a congested airport at night with transponder turned off. Why did they even allow Visual at night?
Why in God’s name would the military be conducting a training flight during a busy time period at a major civilian airport? I swear this institution is run by complete morons.
@@earthstewardudeI don't know if you actually know anyone in the military. They're not particularly bright humans. Seriously - 9 out of 10 people serving in the military that I've known over the past have century or more are dumb as door knobs That's why they go into the military. So they can find someplace to tell them what to wear, how to think, what to do. I'm actually including a couple of my kids lol! I love them dearly but they're not the brightest bulbs in the pack.
Thanks for the straight talk. Many networks do endless interviews with experts only to have them endlessly repeat "it's too early to speculate." "that will be something for the investigation to determine." Like no kidding we Understand that these are early impressions.
I plane spot at gravely point right there at national and have repeatedly heard the tower scolding various military helicopters to stay lower as they pass that point in the river. A couple months ago the tower controller chewed out a “muscle” helicopter passing by. Now we don’t yet know that the helicopter’s altitude was a contributing factor to this accident, but I wouldn’t be surprised if I’m being honest.
@ aviation safety is an incredibly effective system in the US. We haven’t had a bad domestic airline accident in 16 years. But the systems are made up of people and people sometimes make mistakes. It’s a tragedy and things will be learned from it.
@@kikirykioh I absolutely believe you. Most people I know that serve the military are dumb as door knobs. Stupid, foolish, they shouldn't be allowed to think for themselves. Once they get out of the military? They become addicts. Any place where they over-exaggerate hero status, like in the military, the bible? That's where you'll find the most stupid idiots on this planet
Can you please give us a name of who needs to go to prison for even setting up an insane arrangement where low flying helicopters transect the flight paths of 2 major airstrips at busy airport.
@ No, that's not the mistake it's the murder. Airports have maps and procedures so that two planes in flight do not intersect on a collision trajectory.
I know many people in the military who aren't exactly geniuses. I'm surprised this doesn't go on more often. Seriously - 9 out of 10 people I know in the military are dumb as door knobs.
You know nothing about any of the systems or protocols in place. Better to sympathize for the victims and their families and shut up while the actual investigation unfolds.
A sad event, but not entirely unexpected, VERY crowded airspace, at night, over water, military vehicles operating in very close proximity to controlled aviation approaches, my blessings to all involved, but this is not shocking,nor is it a mystery
Here is my take. No more military flights allowed near civilian airports. Military has their own base. The military should be held criminally responsible and owes the families millions and a suspension of all military flights in or near civilian airports. In Evansville IN. Their was a military transport plane doing touchdowns and takeoffs which caused the deaths of several people in a hotel and restaurant just next door to the EVV Airport. The plane touchdown and took back off and had engine failure on one side of the plane. People burned alive in their hotel rooms in bathtubs and in the restaurant walkin freezer trying to escape the fires and jet fuel pouring out. This is why we don't need this.
I agree. This should be followed up with public trial for military officials who thought having helicopters dodging incoming/outgoing airplanes on 2 major airstrips at busy airport was even remotely acceptable.
Considering how long this has been operational and who came up with this and who approved might be difficult since some if not all of those responsible have stepped off planet earth. The largest base here in Texas has choppers flying around all the time in training sessions and there's also huge aircraft transporting our military to other bases or overseas, as well as a small regional airport, yet no crashes here.
Completely unrealistic. That area has COUNTLESS missions for military aircraft coming in and out of DC to provide transportation and security. No one would ever say, if a pedestrian were hit by a car, that we should never have cars in cities or anywhere humans walk. Your comment is knee-jerk, over-simplistic, and ignorant.
It appears the helicopter had eyes on the wrong plane from the radio traffic. The helicopter said the saw it and it appears they were going behind the plane they were watching. Since he was paying attention to the wrong plane, he did not see the actual plane of concern.
Agree with other comments. This expert pilot gave a no-nonsense explaination of what likely happened. I could only find confusing, ambiguous bullshit on American news.
So far you're the only ones to get it right. All the other broadcasters are more interested in what the 1st responders had for dinner. What we have is a crew of 3 (all dead) on the Blackhawk and absolutely nothing on the fate of the airliner crew and passengers. In reality, the highest likelihood is that they are all dead due to the collision and cold water. What happened ? You don't have to be a rocket surgeon to understand this situation. You have an airliner on a precision instrument approach while under air traffic control, and a military Blackhawk helicopter with all of its traffic reporting devices turned off. DUHHHHH ... the outcome is predictable and preventable. Neither the air controller nor the airline flight crew could detect the presence of the helicopter. Now we just wait for the cover-up.
@Jacob-y1n omfg. Show some respect even from you wee toe. People are grieving. Service teams are fighting freezing waters and wind chill. HEROES. AND YOU. YES YOU ARSE WIPE WANT TO BRING IN A I...F...O GO SUCK YOUR THUMB WITH TEDDY MATE. GRRRRR NN
Having years of experience flying banners in congested airspace that helicopter should not have been allowed to fly through the approaches of any runways when it could have easily flown Uber the middle of the airport, where jets don't go. Very simple, you don't need all this electronic stuff. Just open your eyes and fly in the proper places.
When the controller asks the helo pilot if he sees the jet, he could've mistakenly thought they were talking about the jet in the foreground of the video shown. They obviously didn't see the commuter jet on their left.
I agree, especially if the heli only saw the bright lights from that jet only and not the other jet because of their directional positions to one another
American military do tend to be a bit blasé about rules and things. Saw that when I was in the RN in the 70/80's. RIP to those that dies and condolences to the families and friends. N.B. How can this EVER be safe to do this? The people allowing this should be dismissed and/or charged!
Finally someone else is commenting on this being a terrorist attack!! I've been reading lots of comments under these news videos and no one will say it... or those who do are being taken down immediately.
Imagine a new, A.I. system in air traffic control towers. It anticipates the possible collision, instantly a loud bell erupts in the chopper, and an A.I. generated voice states to the chopper pilot, "Initiate emergency U-turn, descend to 100 feet, hover, await further instructions, do not disobey."
Aviation communication recording groups... ATC asked the heli if they had the jet in sight. Heli said yes. Apparantly they were looking at the wrong airliner. (4 airliners in a row and they look alike at night from a couple of miles) No TCAS in the heli. So it would not have the warning and the airliner would not get the warning. Heli passed behind the airliner he saw. but that was not the airliner he was coming close to.
* * THIS WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT! The airplane was on a perfect and routine line of approach to the airport. The helicopter was going straight at the airplane for an extended period of time and coming from behind. It was a CLEAR NIGHT, the lights on the plane were blazing, why didn’t the helicopter go up or down, or turn. Why didn’t the control tower tell the helicopter what to do instead of asking if they saw the plane. The military is responsible for all those deaths! * *
I am going to disagree and here's why. PAT25 (Helicopter) was lifting. RJ was landing. View from PAT25 was ahead looking at another aircraft landing on 01 runway. RJ was coming in from port of PAT25. ATC advised to go behind meaning go behind RJ but PAT25 pilot probably assumed they were referring to the plane landing on 01. The RJ was off to the left. The RJ looks lit up in the video as the video is taken almost head-on to the RJ. PAT25 would see lights from the aircraft landing on 01 and not see the landing lights of the RJ. Lot of assumptions in this video without taking account of other air traffic.
This is a case where more expertise in ATC could have anticipated this problem. I'll be interested to learn if the DEI preference in hiring for these positions since the Obama era has correlated to a rise in ATC and ground control failing to intervene in circumstances like this and in runway incursions (the most common potentially deadly incident)
I do have to make one correction to the expert from personal experience with this airport. The helicopter and the CRJ were in fact on the SAME frequency. The DCA tower controller speaks directly to the helicopter traffic as they pass and manages them as they are in proximity to the airplanes on approach up and down the river.
@@505premoto that may be so but if you’re tuned into 119.1 the tower is talking to them on the same frequency as they pass the airport. The expert’s analysis is overall correct these are just local factors that he wouldn’t know about unless he came in and out of dc regularly.
@@Sonnabend00 The established and official chopper airpath is down the Potomac. There's no other place for the choppers to go, and there are plenty of them. Air traffic is heavily constrained to flight paths over the rivers due to noise and government buildings that forbid flyovers.
A black hawk collided with a Coast Guard C-130 in the same manner several years ago on the west coast. Everyone died. How are military pilots trained is the question?
The people on that plane had no more than 20 minutes in the frigid water to be able to survive. Yet all media went on and on for hours about looking for survivors. This is just sad and pathetic for family waiting to hear about their loved ones.
Maybe they are trying to keep the hope alive a bit? In reality, MSM probably don’t want to report deaths without official confirmation and before next of kin can be informed.
Timing-wise it sounds like ATC asked the helicopter if they saw the jet, and then just a second later told them to pass behind the jet, then about 3 seconds later the collision happened. I don't think a helicopter is maneuverable enough to dodge a jet flying at that speed at such short notice. This seems like an ATC fault allowing them to be in that close of proximity or bringing the jet to the attention of the helicopter too late.
This incorrect because the helicopter was told about the jet earlier as well. That last second communication was not the first time the helo was told to avoid the plane.
@commonman_x6c 1st. Its a helicopter, they have that. 2nd. A "training" flight could be a currency flight. A certain # of hours must be flown every month for proficiency. All pilots have to do this. So a training flight does not necessarily mean inexperienced piolot.
If there were any people on the blackhawk... The military released information about a remote controlled blackhawk. Heck look at Ukraine they have remote controlled cesnas that are blowing up in Russia, 100s of miles away
Why was a student pilot allowed to fly at night around crowded DC airport filled with important people, DUH!!! The Army needs to be investigated for incompetence
Air traffic control did not give the helicopter enough time to react. I seen the video and I heard the audio air. Traffic control should’ve seen this common not five seconds before they crashed.
Similar to what sung the norwegian frigate Helge Ingestad. An arrogant DEI navigator, US cadre was convinced she was seeing land not the large tanker on collision course. Despite being warned she refused to listen and eventually sunk the state of the art frigate.
The military should do their night time helo training flights elsewhere where it isn’t congested with commercial flights especially near a busy airport.
I’m a jet captain and helicopter pilot and instructor. This gentleman is spot on. Once the helicopter crew advised the had the traffic in sight they were responsible to avoid the jet.
There's another video shown last night shortly after 9pm but I don't see this morning that showed the big airplane slowing coming in and the helicopter flying very fast right into it t-bone angle.
I saw video last night that clearly shows the helicopter flying straight at the plane turning into behind plane, then hugh explosion. Can't find that video anymore.
Military and Civilians are on different frequencies, the tower has both frequencies. When flying all we hear usually is the tower side of the conversation.
@@keim3548 It's a military district. You don't fly in the D.C. or the surrounding areas without the permission of the military, and by the way, it was a routine operation for both sides. The accident is the fault of the ATC.
a plane's landing lights are oriented forward. the security camera is based at the Kennedy Center and so would be oriented almost straight-on to the plane, runway, and lights. The chopper is coming from the side and wouldn't see those lights.
@@y6cd3sdzHs1g aircraft have nav, strobes and beacon lights too for a reason. You would still see those clear as day no matter what direction you were coming from. The Helo would have see a green nav light along with white strobe on the wing and tail. Not to mention red beacon.
in fairness that plane is lit up because its headlights are directly pointing in direction of that video recorder. I don't know how lit up that plane is from side. Regardless whoever even set up an arrangement where low flying helicopters are literally dodging incoming/outgoing planes at busy airport should be put on trial.
@@drillbabydrill25-d6p people without any knowledge of aircraft shouldn’t even have an opinion. Aircraft have lights in all direction. Navigation on the wing tips, strobes on wing tips and tail, and two beacon lights one on top of the aircraft one on bottom. Not to mention it was night so the logo light would have been on. Navigation lights are specifically on aircraft to warn others of its orientation in the sky. Red beacon to indicate a moving object. You can see these clear as day in the sky.
@GlobalTossPot By your comments it seems as if you were sitting inside the cockpit of that helicopter. Stop spewing bullshit. Its clear already that the helicopter went into the fixed wing, that means, they didnt see it. Let the experts find actual reasons after proper investigation and stop unnecessary arm chair speculation.
Funny thing. Turns out that Donald Puppet guts airport safety then this happens.................. How long till he blames DEI??? This is what you voted for America. Well done :I
TCAS remains operational below 1000ft radio altitude , however the warning given would be a TA , or amber traffic advisory rather than an RA, resolution advisory.
man this 'Expert" speaks in a lot of absolutes about something that just happened today. I'm also ex Air Force, and there is no way I'm going on national TV and saying what the findings will be 8 hours after an incident. This bloke could save the US Govt. Millions of dollars, just have him run the NTSB by himself.
The RJ was straight in for runway 01 and was asked by the tower if they could accept a side step from runway 01 to a do a visual approach to runway 33 which they accepted. The RJ was north bound along the eastern shore of the Potomac River and was in a left descending and arching turn to their left to line up with runway 33 when the two aircraft collided. The helo appeared to be south bound along the eastern shoreline of the river at 250’ to 300’ above ground level. The pilot of the black hawk was sitting on the right side of the aircraft. The airport was off to his right which he would have been keeping a close watch on as aircraft were departing off of runway 01 and would be coming straight him from that direction. He would not have been looking to his right or above his altitude straight ahead for traffic. The crew of the RJ would not to be looking to their right for lower traffic as they were trying to line up visually with runway 33 of to their left and had been cleared for that approach. The RJ’s landing light was already pointed away from the helo towards the runway. It appears that both the RJ and chopper pilot were both looking at the airport and not looking out for other traffic. I think that this is going to wind up being an ATC issue as well as being both flight crews being blamed for not looking out for other traffic. If the First Officer was flying he would have surely been looking out his front windscreen and not out his right window for traffic at a towered airport that close to the ground at night. The helo would have been completely lost in the city lights below. I can see clearly how this could have happened. If the Captain in the RJ was flying he would have been looking at the runway and the First Officer would have been looking at the instruments for airspeed, rate of decent, and possibly at the approach indications (glide slope and course needle) note: Most military Black Hawks do not have ADS B nor do they have cockpit voice recorders. I think that this is just a case of wrong place at the wrong time for both crews and I would really like to get more information on ALL of the ATC tapes.
Have you contacted the FAA and NTSB with this information? You seem to have all the answers. It’s almost as if you were there, in both cockpits. Truly amazing.
@@Unique-Rythmn in the audio, did the pilot flying and the pilot monitoring of both aircraft announce which seats they were sitting in? Did they announce what they were looking at? eg the instruments, the airfield? A tremendous amount of assumption is being made in the original statement by someone who wasn’t there.
@@jlock611 you will have to listen to the full audio yourself and to answer your questions. It's rapid fire talking in ATC codes and not my expertise to interpret.
Honestly, it's time for artificial intelligence systems to override humans in air traffic control. A.I. can and will anticipate collision dangers in advance and react in a split second with correct directives. Major technology updates desperately needed now.
As an american who finds that the trustworthiness of my news has fallen off a cliff from an already dangerous position, in the past few weeks, thank you for ACTUAL coverage with a good expert talking about it. This confirms what I heard at VASAviation, which is the place to go. Juan Brown seems to be a trumper, so if that's important to you, I'd avoid him.
If you ask me, it looks like the chopper pilot was looking at the other aircraft in the area. There were only about three to five seconds between ATC's contact with the chopper and the incident. I think ATC is primarily at fault here.
It was NOT a training flight for the military. Everything NOT real world is called a “training exercise”. Additionally the tower told the Blackhawk to watch out for an aircraft at his 2 o clock. The plane they collided with was at their 9/10 o clock. The Blackhawk was looking in the wrong direction because they were looking where the tower told them to. No a Blackhawk does not have a black box.
My thought too, but last week, a video was released touting the ability to remote control helicopters. They have actual been able to remotely take over aircraft for decades. And if you watch the path of the helicopter, it adjusts itself in order to directly fly into the plane. Crazy.
He is well aware of tragedy, was there for his expertise, not grief counseling. If we're to be emotional and cry, you would not get concise information.
I saw a report late last night and a reporter said the helicopter was on a separate frequency for helicopters and there were very few seconds that the air traffic controller was actually communicating with both aircraft. I think they said there was just a few seconds, maybe 5, for the helicopter pilot to react, so according to what they reported then, the helicopter pilot didn’t hear those first instructions to turn.
It's mind boggling to consider how safe air travel actually is. So many commercial flights all around the world every single minute of the day and very, very few disasters.
Last fatal airline crash in U.S. was Colgan Air Flight 3407 which crashed in Feb 2009 one month after the Hudson ditching. Colgan crash was caused by pilot error and killed 49 people.
Once again, as someone in the US, it is Sky News Austrailia with an actual aviation expert that knows, first hand, what he is talking about with respect to TCAS, IFR and see-and-avoid VFR rules. Unlike the MSM in the US that spews nonsense and has so-called experts that don't know what they are talking about.
you're right, they are telling more
Blancolirio is actually the best in this domain. :)
Murdoch owns a huge chunk of the MSM as you call it. Right wing media is MSM.
FYI, this piece is labeled as an "Opinion". As is most of the Sky 'nEwS'
I flew down there for 8 years, was an evluator pilot. Natural conflict between the circle to 33 and help route 01. The army chopper pilot screwed up, simply put.
Not saying individual facts within this Opinion piece aren't correct of course. It's just Paul Murray generally can put out lies because of his opinion label. Saves Murdoch from more lawsuits right.
I will save the investigation time and money: there is NO REASON to allow a helicopter to fly across the approach path of a busy airport...ESPECIALLY at night.
Can’t wait to hear about the hello pilots and who they really are or were all about……
The way you put it, you are correct. However, the helicopter was not "allowed to fly across the approach path" - he was specifically instructed by ATC not to do so, and did not follow those instructions. It's the equivalent of running a red light in a car. Helicopters fly that same route multiple times per day without incident. If ATC is on the ball, and pilots follow ATC instructions, these situations are easily avoided - night or day.
@@creid7537 well, I do not have the transcript that the chopper was not allowed to cross the flight path. If that is the case then that is a pilot deviation. However, it is INSANITY to allow this configuration to constantly be utilized. If the helicopter was Care flight then maybe.
You know less than nothing about this disaster. You have personal, uninformed opinions on the matter. Dunning-Kruger effect is on full display online today. Let the actual investigation, conducted by experts in the matter, unfold. Then, after the full report is done, you have read it and understand it, you may be competent to comment on it.
@@kennethfharkin Miserable toad
Can always count on Australian news to explain so well.
only Sky News. Not the other Australian media.
The expert said that the helicopter pilot lost sight of the plane.
I suggest that he might have thought that he he could see it, but the thing that he was looking at was another plane, rather than the one he hit.
This is what I think happened. You can see the third plane in the foreground and the Blackhawk may have been falling in behind that instead of the correct aircraft.
i reckon he saw it, but misjudged its speed similar to t-boning somebody in an intersection.
So he saw the one off to the right but not the one right in his path?
I find it hard to believe that a modern military helicopter does not have a radar on board and pilots look out the window to see traffic in the area... When these helicopters go to battle, do pilots look out the window to see targets?
@@dennisshaper4744 the one descending into his altitude from the left....
I 100% agree with that pilot, the airliner was totally committed to landing, at 400ft altitude you can't be jigging about with a 100 ton aircraft. Helicopters have the added skill of being able to stop and hover on the spot. The Blackhawk was definitely in the wrong here. From a UK ex pilot.
Unbelievable. PSA 182 all over again. Did they not learn anything?
The path of the helicopter is an approved path (which is stupid) which conflicts with the flight path for the airliners.
@ Both craft flew what seemed to be highly predictable paths before impact. A 3D TCAS equivalent in the ATC locale could have detected this collision 15 - 20 sec ahead of time and alarmed it. With such a relayed warning, the helo pilot could have dived probably up to 4 sec before impact and avoided this.
@ Pulled up since they were already at 375 feet.
Maybe the pilot was programmed to do this. Who was onboard the commercial airliner? Is it possible they were targeted?
Mr Bailey, excellent summary of this disaster. Direct, authoritative, and without drama.
I actually prefer Sky News to cover US news rather than any of the major US news networks. There is so much political bias on both sides of the fence.
I have never heard Fox News Tell a lie about what's going on in the political spectrum. I don't know what you're talking about but Fox News has always told the truth but why don't you point me to one time they did not just one time I'll wait.
??? Sky news australia is owned by the same company as fox news, and has an insane bias. This story might not be bias, but that is because it isnt political. Whenever there is a hint of politics, it is always pro-republican or LNP, and anti-democrat, or ALP. If you think sky is unbiased, you are so fucking delusional. The definition of unbiased doesnt mean 'hold views that agree with you', it means 'holds no political views at all.'
Nope ... only the Right stoop this low
I get the plane not seeing the Chopper. But I do not get how the copter didnt see that plane. Or "lost sight" of it. That plane was lit up.
Wondering if they saw the plane that was in the foreground of the video and assumed incorrectly that was the flight in question and didn't realize there was a flight behind and much closer to them.
@JLKeener77 They can not confuse a deparing to a landing plane, too much distance between them.
But they can be confusing the distance from 2 different landing runaways 1 vs 33, were 33 path is closer, all landings happening on runway 1, a sudden landing on 33 without proper communication towards the chopper might have caused it all.
@@JLKeener77 planes land and take off typically into wind (not always depending on wind direction and the inability to move runways) so the closer/bigger plane which is taking off is going the same direction as the smaller plane in background. Also "obviously" they are at different sides of the runway so i do not think helicopter pilot got confused with which plane to avoid.
Prayers and Sympathies to all affected.
Perhaps the helo was unaware of the CRJ's side step and misjudged it's heading, closing speed, distance, and height? That's if the helo even had visual on the correct aircraft.
I've witnessed lucky escapes with night ops and large groups of professionals seemingly in a mind meld, people walking through rotating props, and 6" ground off an Antenna that cannot come anywhere near the runway when the gear is down.
@@andyf7027That is what I've read, in amongst all the insane conspiracy theories, that the helicopter thought the plane they had to look out for was the one taking off, not the one landing. There was a mix up or miscommunication.
Again, finding best truth from Australia, here in Texas. Thank you S N A & interview with such a knowledgeable pilot!
Eh agree, as European. This makes a lot of sense
See the news on fox long time ago.
WION , Stephen Gardner , Forbes and Redacted are informative too
Reagan has the single busiest runway in the entire US. That any helicopters are allowed to cross the approach within ½ a mile of the runway at night with only visual separation is insane.
I believe San Diego has the busiest single runway airport in the USA.
It beggars belief that you would legally allow a low flying helicopter to transect the flight path of the 2 main airstrips of a busy airport. RIP to all those lost in an accident that never should have happened.
Can’t inconvenience the VIPs that love their special perks… in DC, the mil. helicopter shuttle / taxi service is the ultimate status symbol.
I assume it's legally allowed because it's easy to avoid a mid-air collision in this case. Such a thing has never happened before, and that tells us that there was something VERY wrong with the military pilot. Either he/she was grossly incompetent, and got confused, or this was a terrorist who had infiltrated our military.
@@FrankStanley-j5y It was a training flight, so most likely just poor decision making.
@@YSongCloudA training flight does not mean there was an inexperienced pilot involved. It was a military readiness exercise. That is... if we're being told the truth.
@YSongCloud why would training take place at a commercial airport instead of a military air base? Thats astoundingly stupid.
64 souls RIP 🙏
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just for clarification. 64 souls survived, 64 bodies died.
@@drillbabydrill25-d6p plus the 3 in the chopper is all I meant. But I agree the souls survived
@@ClintGolembeskynope they caused this. I would deliberately not include them.
@annawhyte5890 who's they?
Tragic loss. This takes me back to when an airliner crashed into the Potomac in 1982.
A helicopter ran into a plane in 1982 as well?
@@heathclark318no, that was caused by improper deocing procedures.
Unbelievable. PSA 182 all over again. Did they not learn anything?
Yes, Air Florida. The pilot put the reverse thrusters on backing away from the gate and blew all ice and snow into the engines and then on take off when the pilot rotated the instruments were giving false readings he was only at probably a little above idle speed are idle power on take off and he came down, he stalled, belly flopped hit the highway connector killed people in cars it was a big snowstorm that day and I still have visions of that poor woman that was frozen in the water barely moving don't forget she had eyes full of jet fuel in the civilian jumped in and grabbed her I can never forget that I was a kid when that happened that's sad. So far though it sounds to me like it's the helicopters fault
Huge differences in aircraft structural integrity and vertical rate of descent when it touched the water.
The helicopter was on a training mission....No more military flights near civilian airports, whether training or not.
Have you seen who they are allowing in the military these days? Do you really think they are of the quality to be operating any of this equipment?
He’s not smiling so much as that’s his natural way of talking. I’m sure he find nothing funny about this.
I'm glad you said that because that dude was seriously freaking me out with that grin
Its kinda funny
This is about as ridiculous as 2 ships hitting each other in open water
Even that's more believable, seeing as how they're on the same plane, no pun intended.
This is so disheartening to see American kids die.
Prayers from India 🇮🇳😥😢😥😢
Thank you
@Raaddller. God bless you and many thanks for your kindness during this difficult time.
Military pilot here. Mistakes happen all the time. Unfortunately, in rare instances, mistakes cost many lives. How many of you have ever had someone in your blindspot in your car and had a "Oh my.. that was close..." moment? How many of you have bumped into a desk or a wall while you were WALKING?! All of you. All of you. "But the airplane was lit up?!?!" You don't really understand anything about aviation, about sensory physiology, or how to use your brain to reason while being slow to speak. ATC was doing a totally routine procedure of allowing the helo to visually see and avoid. Totally normal. happens hundreds of times a day, every day. This was simply (yet tragically) a human mistake, whether disorientation or being visual on the wrong aircraft or misjudging distances. May the Lord keep you from running over a pedestrian in your blindspot or hip checking your counter on accident.
Nah, not buying that at all, we don't drive around 6 million dollar whips with military grade tracking and communication . The pilots of the helicopter knew exactly where it was and where they were going, they even changed course slightly at the last few critical moments which appears that it was intentional
The lack of aviation knowledge is palpable, but understandable.
Let's hold off on the conspiracy theories for now.
Time to find out JUST WHO WAS ON THIS AIRCRAFT!! Last time this happened 3 well reputed scientists were on their way to testify against the Covid Vax’s - just saying 🤔
@@h.h.6171 we will never get the truth, so why not speculate?
Poor excuse military, bunch of 21 years old practiced visual on a congested airport at night with transponder turned off. Why did they even allow Visual at night?
Why in God’s name would the military be conducting a training flight during a busy time period at a major civilian airport? I swear this institution is run by complete morons.
Agreed and Trump is the top moron.
@@michaelsulkoske4373 I swear you are a complete moron. This is a stupid comment.
I concur.
@@earthstewardudeyeah no crashes happened under obiden did it..
@@earthstewardudeI don't know if you actually know anyone in the military. They're not particularly bright humans. Seriously - 9 out of 10 people serving in the military that I've known over the past have century or more are dumb as door knobs
That's why they go into the military. So they can find someplace to tell them what to wear, how to think, what to do.
I'm actually including a couple of my kids lol!
I love them dearly but they're not the brightest bulbs in the pack.
Thanks for the straight talk. Many networks do endless interviews with experts only to have them endlessly repeat "it's too early to speculate." "that will be something for the investigation to determine." Like no kidding we Understand that these are early impressions.
I plane spot at gravely point right there at national and have repeatedly heard the tower scolding various military helicopters to stay lower as they pass that point in the river. A couple months ago the tower controller chewed out a “muscle” helicopter passing by. Now we don’t yet know that the helicopter’s altitude was a contributing factor to this accident, but I wouldn’t be surprised if I’m being honest.
Unbelievable. That's a major aviation security risk. How did they let that risk exist?
@ aviation safety is an incredibly effective system in the US. We haven’t had a bad domestic airline accident in 16 years. But the systems are made up of people and people sometimes make mistakes. It’s a tragedy and things will be learned from it.
@@kikirykioh I absolutely believe you. Most people I know that serve the military are dumb as door knobs. Stupid, foolish, they shouldn't be allowed to think for themselves.
Once they get out of the military? They become addicts.
Any place where they over-exaggerate hero status, like in the military, the bible? That's where you'll find the most stupid idiots on this planet
Can you please give us a name of who needs to go to prison for even setting up an insane arrangement where low flying helicopters transect the flight paths of 2 major airstrips at busy airport.
@ No, that's not the mistake it's the murder. Airports have maps and procedures so that two planes in flight do not intersect on a collision trajectory.
An absolute tragedy.
None of us are perfect.
Human errors happen.
RIP.
A freaking military helicopter should NEVER EVEN COME CLOSE to a commercial airplane ✈️ not even close at all. This is just common sense
I know many people in the military who aren't exactly geniuses. I'm surprised this doesn't go on more often. Seriously - 9 out of 10 people I know in the military are dumb as door knobs.
You know nothing about any of the systems or protocols in place. Better to sympathize for the victims and their families and shut up while the actual investigation unfolds.
Thanks for the emoji. I had no idea what you where talking about
Unfortunately most folk have none...common sense that is.
Some right numpties commentating 😅
I think it is likely that the helicopter pilot was looking at another airplane
Sending prayers, love and light!!!🤍🤍🤍
The helicopter pilot was too high looking at the wrong aircraft.
She then proceeded to fly straight into the other aircraft, the end.
A sad event, but not entirely unexpected, VERY crowded airspace, at night, over water, military vehicles operating in very close proximity to controlled aviation approaches, my blessings to all involved, but this is not shocking,nor is it a mystery
What I want to know is what the HELL that chopper was doing anywhere NEAR an approach corridor in Class A airspace
@@Sonnabend00it was in training most likely.
@@mussu4859dumb place to train, isn't it?
Yes, it's entirely unexpected. What do you mean otherwise, that they expect collision and air disasters to be recurring at airports?
@@Sonnabend00I was stationed in DC at the navy yard. The Potomac river is BUSY with helos. Day and night something is flying somewhere.
What a tragic event! Lord Jesus please comfort all those loved ones who have been left behind. May their souls rest in peace! 🙏😢
The gentleman is not smiling. Its called ageing. Your turn is coming.
Not unless you get the same throat doctor to work on you as he did Joan Rivers . . .
Here is my take. No more military flights allowed near civilian airports. Military has their own base. The military should be held criminally responsible and owes the families millions and a suspension of all military flights in or near civilian airports. In Evansville IN. Their was a military transport plane doing touchdowns and takeoffs which caused the deaths of several people in a hotel and restaurant just next door to the EVV Airport. The plane touchdown and took back off and had engine failure on one side of the plane. People burned alive in their hotel rooms in bathtubs and in the restaurant walkin freezer trying to escape the fires and jet fuel pouring out. This is why we don't need this.
I agree. This should be followed up with public trial for military officials who thought having helicopters dodging incoming/outgoing airplanes on 2 major airstrips at busy airport was even remotely acceptable.
At least not near class B or C airports at night.
Considering how long this has been operational and who came up with this and who approved might be difficult since some if not all of those responsible have stepped off planet earth. The largest base here in Texas has choppers flying around all the time in training sessions and there's also huge aircraft transporting our military to other bases or overseas, as well as a small regional airport, yet no crashes here.
Completely unrealistic. That area has COUNTLESS missions for military aircraft coming in and out of DC to provide transportation and security. No one would ever say, if a pedestrian were hit by a car, that we should never have cars in cities or anywhere humans walk.
Your comment is knee-jerk, over-simplistic, and ignorant.
It appears the helicopter had eyes on the wrong plane from the radio traffic. The helicopter said the saw it and it appears they were going behind the plane they were watching. Since he was paying attention to the wrong plane, he did not see the actual plane of concern.
situational awareness or lack there of... Prayers to all and as always accidents do happen when humans are involved..
Another expert said that the helicopter pilot was watching the wrong plane
Agree with other comments. This expert pilot gave a no-nonsense explaination of what likely happened. I could only find confusing, ambiguous bullshit on American news.
Who the F runs hundreds of military training exercises a day right thru a major airport. Move the F training runs elsewhere.
Guys in dresses.
Byron explains it so well. A real professional.
So far you're the only ones to get it right. All the other broadcasters are more interested in what the 1st responders had for dinner. What we have is a crew of 3 (all dead) on the Blackhawk and absolutely nothing on the fate of the airliner crew and passengers. In reality, the highest likelihood is that they are all dead due to the collision and cold water. What happened ? You don't have to be a rocket surgeon to understand this situation. You have an airliner on a precision instrument approach while under air traffic control, and a military Blackhawk helicopter with all of its traffic reporting devices turned off. DUHHHHH ... the outcome is predictable and preventable. Neither the air controller nor the airline flight crew could detect the presence of the helicopter. Now we just wait for the cover-up.
Jeeebus! Go back and watch again and this time pay attention.
They already said likely 0 survivors
@@gesenhausen2922 YOU need to be paying attention! Don't try to cast doubt in people's minds! Not going to work!!!
The helicopter flew into the plane. It's on video 😢😢
it was A.I ..never happened
@Jacob-y1n omfg. Show some respect even from you wee toe. People are grieving. Service teams are fighting freezing waters and wind chill. HEROES. AND YOU. YES YOU ARSE WIPE WANT TO BRING IN A I...F...O GO SUCK YOUR THUMB WITH TEDDY MATE. GRRRRR NN
@Jacob-y1n ooh maybe get offffff what ever smack your on.
@@Jacob-y1nProve it.
@Jacob-y1n omfg I've already dealt with a bot twat on another site
67 people total - Plane = 60 passengers + 4 crew // Black Hawk = 3 Crew
Apparently training is more important than civilian life to them
Having years of experience flying banners in congested airspace that helicopter should not have been allowed to fly through the approaches of any runways when it could have easily flown Uber the middle of the airport, where jets don't go. Very simple, you don't need all this electronic stuff. Just open your eyes and fly in the proper places.
When the controller asks the helo pilot if he sees the jet, he could've mistakenly thought they were talking about the jet in the foreground of the video shown. They obviously didn't see the commuter jet on their left.
I agree, especially if the heli only saw the bright lights from that jet only and not the other jet because of their directional positions to one another
American military do tend to be a bit blasé about rules and things.
Saw that when I was in the RN in the 70/80's.
RIP to those that dies and condolences to the families and friends.
N.B. How can this EVER be safe to do this? The people allowing this should be dismissed and/or charged!
Who the f#&k cleared them across the approach end of an active runway at 400 feet! That’s the guy that caused this tragedy!!??!!??
They literally showed tech that can remote control a blackhawk last week…..
😱
We need detailed info about everyone on that flight.
Finally someone else is commenting on this being a terrorist attack!! I've been reading lots of comments under these news videos and no one will say it... or those who do are being taken down immediately.
@@mrwilliamwonder I smell something very disgusting in the air. Something is not right about this Whatsoever!!!
Imagine a new, A.I. system in air traffic control towers. It anticipates the possible collision, instantly a loud bell erupts in the chopper, and an A.I. generated voice states to the chopper pilot, "Initiate emergency U-turn, descend to 100 feet, hover, await further instructions, do not disobey."
Here's an idea: no allowing passes through approaches on short-final, ever, esp. for helicopters.
Aviation communication recording groups... ATC asked the heli if they had the jet in sight. Heli said yes. Apparantly they were looking at the wrong airliner. (4 airliners in a row and they look alike at night from a couple of miles)
No TCAS in the heli. So it would not have the warning and the airliner would not get the warning.
Heli passed behind the airliner he saw. but that was not the airliner he was coming close to.
* * THIS WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT! The airplane was on a perfect and routine line of approach to the airport. The helicopter was going straight at the airplane for an extended period of time and coming from behind. It was a CLEAR NIGHT, the lights on the plane were blazing, why didn’t the helicopter go up or down, or turn. Why didn’t the control tower tell the helicopter what to do instead of asking if they saw the plane. The military is responsible for all those deaths! * *
The helicopter was told to bypass they were 100 ft too high and on the wrong side of the river.
I am going to disagree and here's why. PAT25 (Helicopter) was lifting. RJ was landing. View from PAT25 was ahead looking at another aircraft landing on 01 runway. RJ was coming in from port of PAT25. ATC advised to go behind meaning go behind RJ but PAT25 pilot probably assumed they were referring to the plane landing on 01. The RJ was off to the left. The RJ looks lit up in the video as the video is taken almost head-on to the RJ. PAT25 would see lights from the aircraft landing on 01 and not see the landing lights of the RJ. Lot of assumptions in this video without taking account of other air traffic.
You got it completely right
No.
That's correct, but in aviation, pilots don't look out the window at night, they look at the instruments.
This is a case where more expertise in ATC could have anticipated this problem. I'll be interested to learn if the DEI preference in hiring for these positions since the Obama era has correlated to a rise in ATC and ground control failing to intervene in circumstances like this and in runway incursions (the most common potentially deadly incident)
@@kikiryki No, we do both, especially looking out the window when close to the ground and close to an airport.
I do have to make one correction to the expert from personal experience with this airport. The helicopter and the CRJ were in fact on the SAME frequency. The DCA tower controller speaks directly to the helicopter traffic as they pass and manages them as they are in proximity to the airplanes on approach up and down the river.
Also the crj was not on an instrument approach to 33. He was on a visual approach. 33 doesn’t have an ILS it’s an RNAV approach.
The a/c was on VHF (standard civilian) and the chopper was on UHF (standard military).
@@505premoto that may be so but if you’re tuned into 119.1 the tower is talking to them on the same frequency as they pass the airport. The expert’s analysis is overall correct these are just local factors that he wouldn’t know about unless he came in and out of dc regularly.
Seems there are a number of things the expert missed as he sat in his den. Perhaps it would be responsible to not blame anyone just yet.
@@TitoJames68 I absolutely agree.
TCAS IS DISABLED BELOW 700’ agl. Look it up
All the more reason that chopper should never have been there
That's true. I'm guessing that's why the TA traffic advisory of going behind was issued.
@@Sonnabend00 The established and official chopper airpath is down the Potomac. There's no other place for the choppers to go, and there are plenty of them. Air traffic is heavily constrained to flight paths over the rivers due to noise and government buildings that forbid flyovers.
Whats up with that??😮😮
A black hawk collided with a Coast Guard C-130 in the same manner several years ago on the west coast. Everyone died. How are military pilots trained is the question?
There is lots of yelling and cursing from instructors involved....
The people on that plane had no more than 20 minutes in the frigid water to be able to survive. Yet all media went on and on for hours about looking for survivors. This is just sad and pathetic for family waiting to hear about their loved ones.
Maybe they are trying to keep the hope alive a bit?
In reality, MSM probably don’t want to report deaths without official confirmation and before next of kin can be informed.
Exactly. They took so long to say it. I was hopeful when I heard it was over a river but as soon as I heard it was frozen I knew they were all dead
Byron Bailey is the sort of bloke I want to be flying my plane! Nice interview with a certified expert.
Timing-wise it sounds like ATC asked the helicopter if they saw the jet, and then just a second later told them to pass behind the jet, then about 3 seconds later the collision happened. I don't think a helicopter is maneuverable enough to dodge a jet flying at that speed at such short notice. This seems like an ATC fault allowing them to be in that close of proximity or bringing the jet to the attention of the helicopter too late.
This incorrect because the helicopter was told about the jet earlier as well. That last second communication was not the first time the helo was told to avoid the plane.
Worked with helicopters for 30 years. They can stop and maneuver very quickly. That is one of their greatest advantages.
Training flights should be conducted in trainer aircraft, dual controls for pilot and co-pilot, left and right seats.
@commonman_x6c 1st. Its a helicopter, they have that. 2nd. A "training" flight could be a currency flight. A certain # of hours must be flown every month for proficiency. All pilots have to do this. So a training flight does not necessarily mean inexperienced piolot.
This totally breaks my heart and I did not know anyone involved. RIP ❤
Pray for yourselves because you do not know when your turn is next.🙏
TCAS doesn’t give any advice below 1000 feet. It will just warn “traffic”, not which way to go.
Those onboard the military aircraft should be investigated.My prayers to the family
If there were any people on the blackhawk... The military released information about a remote controlled blackhawk.
Heck look at Ukraine they have remote controlled cesnas that are blowing up in Russia, 100s of miles away
@zlmdragon. You don't need to be alive to be investigated
Yes. Look at the chopper pilots file. The New Orleans attacker? Military. The Vegas Tesla bomber. Military. Coincides??
This is not the first time a military or air force plane colliding with a passenger plane 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Why was a student pilot allowed to fly at night around crowded DC airport filled with important people, DUH!!! The Army needs to be investigated for incompetence
Incompetence or intentional?
@@Unique-Rythmn👀
@@Unique-Rythmn Islamic jihad by the pilot hasn;t been ruled out yet, not that they'd dare admit to it if that were true.
I had that question too. Not even sure which one would be more terrifying.
How do we know it was a student pilot?😮
Air traffic control did not give the helicopter enough time to react. I seen the video and I heard the audio air. Traffic control should’ve seen this common not five seconds before they crashed.
Similar to what sung the norwegian frigate Helge Ingestad. An arrogant DEI navigator, US cadre was convinced she was seeing land not the large tanker on collision course. Despite being warned she refused to listen and eventually sunk the state of the art frigate.
Wow. Big DEI there
Oh shut up truly. Could also blame all the laid of staff under same breath. Truly. It was a tragic accident. Why the f you stick your messed politics
Watch now as the lawyers come running to sue and get their cut
The military should do their night time helo training flights elsewhere where it isn’t congested with commercial flights especially near a busy airport.
Lucky to have Byron give a correct explanation.
i heard those helicopters dont have black boxes
You heard wrong
@Nattty26 fair enough
I’m a jet captain and helicopter pilot and instructor. This gentleman is spot on. Once the helicopter crew advised the had the traffic in sight they were responsible to avoid the jet.
Salute Byron,you touched on it,the hubris of pride with the helicopter pilot.
Not a failure to obey, the chopper pilot saw a different plane.
The entire process needs to be revamped because it’s clearly way too dangerous
There's another video shown last night shortly after 9pm but I don't see this morning that showed the big airplane slowing coming in and the helicopter flying very fast right into it t-bone angle.
That's exactly what it looked like to me! How else would the passenger plane be split in half? Definitely something fishy about this incident.
The nose of the helicopter hit the side of the plane behind the right wing.
That was a deliberate crash by the helicopter.
I saw video last night that clearly shows the helicopter flying straight at the plane turning into behind plane, then hugh explosion. Can't find that video anymore.
Others saw this too. Obviously this has been removed. Why would it have been ?
"Expert"? A person who knows more and more about less and less.
Military and Civilians are on different frequencies, the tower has both frequencies. When flying all we hear usually is the tower side of the conversation.
If that's true it would suggest military craft should have no business training near civilian airports.
@@keim3548 It's a military district. You don't fly in the D.C. or the surrounding areas without the permission of the military, and by the way, it was a routine operation for both sides. The accident is the fault of the ATC.
From the video it looks like the helicopter flew straight into that plane. Don’t know how they missed it….the plane was bright with lights.
a plane's landing lights are oriented forward. the security camera is based at the Kennedy Center and so would be oriented almost straight-on to the plane, runway, and lights. The chopper is coming from the side and wouldn't see those lights.
@@y6cd3sdzHs1g aircraft have nav, strobes and beacon lights too for a reason. You would still see those clear as day no matter what direction you were coming from. The Helo would have see a green nav light along with white strobe on the wing and tail. Not to mention red beacon.
in fairness that plane is lit up because its headlights are directly pointing in direction of that video recorder. I don't know how lit up that plane is from side. Regardless whoever even set up an arrangement where low flying helicopters are literally dodging incoming/outgoing planes at busy airport should be put on trial.
@@drillbabydrill25-d6p people without any knowledge of aircraft shouldn’t even have an opinion. Aircraft have lights in all direction. Navigation on the wing tips, strobes on wing tips and tail, and two beacon lights one on top of the aircraft one on bottom. Not to mention it was night so the logo light would have been on. Navigation lights are specifically on aircraft to warn others of its orientation in the sky. Red beacon to indicate a moving object. You can see these clear as day in the sky.
@GlobalTossPot By your comments it seems as if you were sitting inside the cockpit of that helicopter. Stop spewing bullshit. Its clear already that the helicopter went into the fixed wing, that means, they didnt see it. Let the experts find actual reasons after proper investigation and stop unnecessary arm chair speculation.
Funny thing. Turns out that Donald Puppet guts airport safety then this happens..................
How long till he blames DEI???
This is what you voted for America.
Well done
:I
So0unds like a deliberate attack by the chopper pilots
No, just a tragic accident.
There's no way the helicopter wouldn't of seen the airplane in front of it
1:00 CORRECTION: the planes were at 400ft rather than above 1000ft where TCAS works
TCAS remains operational below 1000ft radio altitude , however the warning given would be a TA , or amber traffic advisory rather than an RA, resolution advisory.
So sad
I'm sure the MSM here in America will somehow find a way to blame Trump for this as well
Actually, I’ve seen some comments blaming Pres. Trump. How pathetic.
Went straight at the plane like a SAM okay I'm the Pope 😲 if that was an Accident unless Stevie Wonder was the Chopper Pilot
man this 'Expert" speaks in a lot of absolutes about something that just happened today. I'm also ex Air Force, and there is no way I'm going on national TV and saying what the findings will be 8 hours after an incident. This bloke could save the US Govt. Millions of dollars, just have him run the NTSB by himself.
Decades of incompetence,
means it's only an emergency now !
SMH
The RJ was straight in for runway 01 and was asked by the tower if they could accept a side step from runway 01 to a do a visual approach to runway 33 which they accepted. The RJ was north bound along the eastern shore of the Potomac River and was in a left descending and arching turn to their left to line up with runway 33 when the two aircraft collided. The helo appeared to be south bound along the eastern shoreline of the river at 250’ to 300’ above ground level. The pilot of the black hawk was sitting on the right side of the aircraft. The airport was off to his right which he would have been keeping a close watch on as aircraft were departing off of runway 01 and would be coming straight him from that direction. He would not have been looking to his right or above his altitude straight ahead for traffic. The crew of the RJ would not to be looking to their right for lower traffic as they were trying to line up visually with runway 33 of to their left and had been cleared for that approach. The RJ’s landing light was already pointed away from the helo towards the runway. It appears that both the RJ and chopper pilot were both looking at the airport and not looking out for other traffic. I think that this is going to wind up being an ATC issue as well as being both flight crews being blamed for not looking out for other traffic. If the First Officer was flying he would have surely been looking out his front windscreen and not out his right window for traffic at a towered airport that close to the ground at night. The helo would have been completely lost in the city lights below. I can see clearly how this could have happened. If the Captain in the RJ was flying he would have been looking at the runway and the First Officer would have been looking at the instruments for airspeed, rate of decent, and possibly at the approach indications (glide slope and course needle) note: Most military Black Hawks do not have ADS B nor do they have cockpit voice recorders. I think that this is just a case of wrong place at the wrong time for both crews and I would really like to get more information on ALL of the ATC tapes.
Have you contacted the FAA and NTSB with this information? You seem to have all the answers. It’s almost as if you were there, in both cockpits. Truly amazing.
The audio was released
@@Unique-Rythmn in the audio, did the pilot flying and the pilot monitoring of both aircraft announce which seats they were sitting in? Did they announce what they were looking at? eg the instruments, the airfield? A tremendous amount of assumption is being made in the original statement by someone who wasn’t there.
Well said...
@@jlock611 you will have to listen to the full audio yourself and to answer your questions. It's rapid fire talking in ATC codes and not my expertise to interpret.
Black Hawk Down did not need a sequel.
Too soon man too soon but I get ya 😊
Wayyyy to soon, dude.
😂😂😂
Helicopter from military base caused it crikey. Where the private industry meets the military
No fact reporting as usual. Just commentary.
This 'expert' has had a good smoke before the interview I reckon.
enjoying his moment of fame
……he’s no spring chicken………
but he answered all questions perfectly and completely objectively? His answers are as good as anyone other experts'.
Honestly, it's time for artificial intelligence systems to override humans in air traffic control. A.I. can and will anticipate collision dangers in advance and react in a split second with correct directives. Major technology updates desperately needed now.
No accident
3 days ago trump fired the heads of the transportation security administration and the coast guard. What could possibly go wrong?
You can't be seriously linking that to this...
Get mental help.
it's ridiculous to blame President Trump for alleged helicopter pilot error.
As an american who finds that the trustworthiness of my news has fallen off a cliff from an already dangerous position, in the past few weeks, thank you for ACTUAL coverage with a good expert talking about it. This confirms what I heard at VASAviation, which is the place to go. Juan Brown seems to be a trumper, so if that's important to you, I'd avoid him.
If you ask me, it looks like the chopper pilot was looking at the other aircraft in the area. There were only about three to five seconds between ATC's contact with the chopper and the incident. I think ATC is primarily at fault here.
It was NOT a training flight for the military. Everything NOT real world is called a “training exercise”. Additionally the tower told the Blackhawk to watch out for an aircraft at his 2 o clock. The plane they collided with was at their 9/10 o clock. The Blackhawk was looking in the wrong direction because they were looking where the tower told them to.
No a Blackhawk does not have a black box.
This is chilling, as well as it is telling
Was the Blackhawk crew DEI?
My thought too, but last week, a video was released touting the ability to remote control helicopters. They have actual been able to remotely take over aircraft for decades. And if you watch the path of the helicopter, it adjusts itself in order to directly fly into the plane. Crazy.
@tzadik36@@juliecavanagh7399 You are both dumb
Hegseth 😂
Transgender lesbian of colour.
@historyjunkie3144,
People died. This isn't funny! 😞
Sky News, maybe read the room. People just died tragically and you have an expert on with his laughter and smiles.
He is well aware of tragedy, was there for his expertise, not grief counseling. If we're to be emotional and cry, you would not get concise information.
No, he's not. Old people often have well worn facial expressions that look like that.
Was the heli on a separate frequency?? If so the CRJ would not have been aware of how close the heli was. RIP to all concerned
I saw a report late last night and a reporter said the helicopter was on a separate frequency for helicopters and there were very few seconds that the air traffic controller was actually communicating with both aircraft. I think they said there was just a few seconds, maybe 5, for the helicopter pilot to react, so according to what they reported then, the helicopter pilot didn’t hear those first instructions to turn.
First US accident since the Miracle on the Hudson.
really?? didn't actually know that. damn
It's mind boggling to consider how safe air travel actually is. So many commercial flights all around the world every single minute of the day and very, very few disasters.
@@JLKeener77 true. But still doesn’t make me any less scared shitless to fly
@ I don't fly very much either.
Last fatal airline crash in U.S. was Colgan Air Flight 3407 which crashed in Feb 2009 one month after the Hudson ditching. Colgan crash was caused by pilot error and killed 49 people.